From: "Tim" <tjp314@pacbell.net>

Date: November 9, 2005 10:28:17 PM MST

To: Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Camera for guiding


David:


I find I've had shared experiences to many that you've described

regarding championing Mac use for astronomy applications in a

PC-dominated world.  


A friend of mine was once asked, after he'd made a plea for Macs in

his workplace at the time:  "Why would you want us all to use Macs? 

Wouldn't you rather have something compatible?"  to which he replied,

without hesitation:  "Compatible with *what*?  Certainly not the human

mind!"  ;o)


Nevertheless, as I slowly accumulated the funds to buy myself an astro

camera 6 years ago, I was faced with rather limited choices, and so I

caved in to a suggestion by Richard Berry, at RTMC:  "Why not just get

a cheap PC for use in the field, and transfer the images to your Mac

for processing later?"  I ended up building a succession of PC towers

from components to run a Starlight Xpress HX5.  This was before CD

burners (at reasonable prices, that is), so I did all my transfers to

the Mac using the Zip drives I had on both platforms.  In the end, it

still was rather a pain going back and forth, especially when I was

often imaging just before sunup and had to get ready for work after

putting everything away.  


Now I have an HP laptop, but I just purchased a new Powerbook to try

to "take over" with my astro stuff.  The HP is getting rather old

(nearly 3 years now), so I needed a new computer anyway.  And now,

with Astro IIDC and other Mac friendly astro applications out there,

there's HOPE I can get "off the grid" (the windows grid, that is) once

and for all, eventually.


But I think Milton was referring to the number of Astro IIDC users who

are interested in autoguiding.  I'm one of them, but I don't have an

LX200 mount (just a Nexstar GPS and a couple Tak Temma mounts), so I

wasn't figuring I'd be using Astro IIDC for that.


I bought it first and foremost for planetary imaging, and find it, in

combination with the Flea camera, to be excellent for that.  The flea

also shows some promise on DSOs, and I haven't even bothered to try

the "modification" to get exposures up to 60 minutes, because of Mars

and the weather around here(!), but the tests I've done to date are

very interesting.  I also have a DSI Pro, and I find that acquiring

and stacking up to 60 seconds/frame videos of faint fuzzies with the

Flea and Astro IIDC is both easier and produces better results than

the Meade and Envisage does (and I spent far more time with the Meade

than I have so far on faint stuff with the Flea).  It's worked well

enough to delay my decision to replace the Starlight Xpress camera

(that I sold a few months back to a friend) with something like an

SBIG as a dedicated astro camera, which is also Mac compatible.  I've

been tempted to try a monochrome firewire camera with a filter wheel,

but the megapixel firewire cameras mostly use small-pixel ccds to fit

in the same package as the VGA format chips (typically 1/4 to 1/2 inch

ccds).  


Anyway, I guess I'm rambling, and it's getting late, and the clouds

just won't go away, so I might as well go stare at my eyelids!


planetarily,

-Tim.


--- In Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com, "David Illig" <yag@d...> wrote:


David wrote:

Photoshop? But I agree -- the Mac needs a Registax, but with a  

human interface; using Registax is a torturous process.


Milton Aupperle: 

I take that Astro IIDC is no use to anyone for stacking then? I'd  

like to know because I'll stop all development of it if no one is  

using that aspect of it. I don 't like wasting my time on features

if  

no one uses them and does not provide any constructive feedback.


I have clearly put my foot in my mouth. That didn't come across the

way I meant it. How 

can I prove that? Well, in addition to a Windows XP Pro laptop

equipped with all kinds of 

commercial and free astronomy software -- including Registax -- I

have six Macs running 

OS X. I bought Astro IIDC just a week ago to replace all other

capture and stacking 

software, and after using it to photograph Mars I think it's a great

program. I installed it 

on two Macs for a single camera. My FW webcam is an iBot, and I know

that you are right 

about the iBot being a low-end camera. My Mars images weren't great,

but the problem 

was almost certainly my lack of experience and atmospheric

turbulence, not the iBot and 

certainly not Astro IIDC. I captured about 3,000 frames for each

exposure; perhaps more 

were needed.


Even with my limited experience with the program, I can see that

versitility and ease of use 

make Astro IIDC the clear choice for capturing and aligning

QuickTime movies. I have 

never used Windows by choice, and in fact I have not used the

Windows laptop for quite 

some time. I was experimenting with guiding with a webcam and

Equinox, but I have 

suspended that for now. I have a new Losmandy G-11 mount for my

LX200, and I expect 

to install it in my observatory as soon as an adapter plate arrives

from LeSueur Astro-Pier.


You made one remark earlier in this thread with which I take issue.

You wrote "The entire 

'Mac Astro Guiding Market' isn't more than 100 users..." and I know

it's much bigger than 

that. I know that because I know three Mac astronomers within 20

miles of me who are 

interested in autoguiding, and I know another in New Jersey. That's

five, including me. I 

also know it because of the amazing e-mail response to my little

page about "The 

Macintosh in Amateur Astronomy" at

<http://www.davidillig.com/astromac.shtml>. This 

is a personal web site that was intended mainly for distant friends

and family, but it 

started getting hits -- and I started getting e-mails -- by the

hundreds from Mac users 

who were grateful to learn that the Mac can be used in amateur

astronomy, as well as from 

Windows users who said, practically in unison, "That's it, I'm

switching. I've been fed up 

with Windows for a long time, but I didn't know the Mac could be

used in astronomy."


Now, one question. What do you mean by "...has preliminary support

for Auto Guiding on 

stars..." What else is needed -- given that I have the necessary

hardware (Keyspan Serial 

Adapter) and cables for telescope control?


Thanks. Is my foot out of my mouth yet?


David