From: "Tim" <tjp314@pacbell.net>

Date: November 14, 2006 10:53:41 AM MST

To: Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Anybody else using Pt Grey cameras?


Milton:


I may be leaning toward a Flea2 with 1024x768 pixels, then, since I

already have a 640x480 Flea.  Any experience out there with the Scorpions?


I remember their sales rep saying that the Scorpion has a screw-in IR

block filter, so it could be replaced with an astro IR block filter

with better transmission.  I haven't yet removed the one from my Flea,

but now that it's over a year old and out of warranty, I will likely

do that before the big planets come back around...


-Tim.



--- In Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com, Milton Aupperle <milton@...> wrote:


Hi Tim;


Besides the assortment of unibrain cameras, I have a TIS (a DFK21BF04  

640x480 color), Flea (640x480 color that I bought) and Flea2 (1394B  

1024x768 Color) cameras. Both TIS and PGR were kind enough to loan me  

the DFK21BF04 and Flea2 cameras for testing purposes.


Like you said, the Fleas are exceptionally small and light cameras.  

Size wise you can fit about eight flea cameras inside the cube space  

of a single TIS camera and weight wise it's about 4 fleas to one TIS  

cameras.


Price wise the TIS cameras are a lot less expensive than the Fleas  

are.  However the Fleas can deliver higher bit depth (bigger dynamic  

range) and with Astro IIDC 3.01.00 (beta) you can now access all the  

Format 7 modes with Region of Interest, higher frame rates (I get 107  

fps with the Flea camera I have here) and longer exposure times (to  

60 minutes).


For guiding with the GPUSB, I could fairly easily guide off a 6th  

magnitude star at 133 ms exposures / 7.5 fps using a color unibrain  

camera in 4x4 binned mode with an 80 mm aperture cheap refractor  

under light polluted Mag 1 to 3 urban skies. The big issue with the  

Unibrain and other cheap cameras is that they are really noisy when  

used in "overdrive" mode, so you need to take a dark frame  

subtraction to reduce the back ground image noise.


Also, for those of you that do not have FireWire 800 / 1394B capable  

Macs, you can still use the 1394B Flea2 and other cameras using the  

supplied FireWire 800 to FireWire 400 cable. You can't run them as  

fast as 1394B (i.e recording 30 frames per second in 16 bit  at  

1032x776 pixels which is 46 megabytes per second to disk)  but they  

work fine on 1394A.


HTH..


Milton J. Aupperle

President

ASC - Aupperle Services and Contracting

Mac Software (Drivers, Components and Application) Specialist

#1005 - 815 14th Avenue. S.W.

Calgary Alberta Canada T2R0N5

1-(403)-229-9456

milton@...

www.outcastsoft.com




On 10-Nov-06, at 3:34 PM, Tim wrote:


Reason I ask is that I'd like to add another camera, and be able to

switch back and forth between it and the Flea as to which I use for

guiding while I image with the other.  I have to admit that i like the

color on-chip cameras the best.  I have a ST2000XM, Meade DSI Pro, and

prototype Starfish cameras for grayscale, and the SBIG and Meade have

color filters with them.  But I must be the ultimate in lazy dude

units, as I use the flea far more than the others because it's so easy

to set up and use, and weighs essentially nothing.  (Ever see a C-8

with an ST2000XM with the AO-7 and CFW-10 attached on an EM-10?:

Can't balance in Dec without adding a weight on the sky end of the

dovetail, and then it looks pretty comical).


I also like the Pt Grey cameras' long exposure capability.


But not necessarily their prices.  (it looks like I might be able to

buy about 3 low-end TIS cameras for the price of a flea, and I'm

drooling over the even more expensive Scorpions).


I'm planning on adding a Shoestring GPUSB gizmo so I can guide with

one camera, but I haven't ordered one yet.


I still have the Aplux version of the Fire-i, but it's pretty old (4

years) and its sensitivity is pathetic.  I've never been able to see

any but the very brightest stars with it.


Thinking out loud... ...hope the noise isn't disturbing!  ;o)


-Tim.