From: "Tim" <tjp314@pacbell.net>

Date: November 30, 2007 11:04:49 AM MST

To: Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com

Subject: larger chip cameras.  Was:  Re: First light ... Mars


Hi Alan:


What larger chip camera did you/are you referring to?


One thing I've considered is the monochrome 5mpixel Grasshopper

camera.  The pixels are small, so I'm thinking that a barlow might not

even be necessary for planetary imaging (just "ROI" around the

planet).  And there are enough of them and the chip is big enough

(2/3" format) that they could be binned 2x2 or even 4x4, and still

have enough pixels to take decent size deep sky images.


Problem is, the 5MP Grasshopper is a $3500 camera, which is about what

I paid for my ST2000.  And the grasshopper isn't cooled.


Reason I am intrigued by this concept is that, once I have my scope

aligned and the cameras running, I close the doors beneath the scope

and sit in comfort at a desk while I robofocus and image away.  I'm

almost, but not quite, completely robotic now.  I still  have to

manually open the roof hatch and swing the Nexstar up from its stowed

position.  But these days it only takes me about 5 minutes to do that,

wake the scope up from hibernation, and close the doors beneath to

keep thermals from the house out of the optical path, and I'm good to go.


And really, though I do still have to climb up onto the platform and

open the doors to swap out cameras or barlows, that doesn't take

really take all that long either.  I'm just getting lazy in my old age.


When I'm done observing, it really only takes me about 2 minutes to

shut everything down, hibernate the scope, stow it and close the hatch

cover.


I just wish the space was big enough to accomodate my 12.5".  But an

11" would fit as well as the 9.25"...  ...hm....


-Tim.


--- In Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com, Alan Friedman <alan@...> wrote:


I think I've determined tthe following rule of thumb: moments of good  

seeing occur when you sleep - so just don't do that and you're all set.


Seriously - the weather tools (Clear Sky Clock included)  seem to be  

much better at predicting poor seeing than good. Steady  seeing is a  

very transient event in mid - northern latitudes, often measured in  

seconds rather than minutes. One of my reasons for moving to a larger  

chip camera was the frustration encountered in making mosaics with  

the 21BF04 - finding one half of a crater sharp and the other mush  

due to the change in stability during the time it took to move the  

camera. When imaging an object below 40 degrees in altitude, as it  

passes above the rooftops in the adjacent houses, I can almost  

pinpoint the energy loss for the homeowners as I watch the onscreen  

image respond to the various heat leak distortions.


I wish I could say that the joy is in the hunt for those magic  

moments... but it is a cold and tiring job setting up the scope night  

after night only to put it away with nary a frame collected.


cheers,

Alan



On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Milton Aupperle wrote:


Hi Jim;


Nice image.


I was out after Mars last night for about 1.5 hours when it was -17°C

(light cross winds so it was about -20 to -25°C on exposed flesh) but

the sky was clear and will be the only clear skies I get this week.

The scope sits outside on the balcony under a barbecue grill cover

and is always in equilibrium with the outside air.


According to the 300 mb plot and clear sky clock, i should have had

seeing that was 4/5 or better - however it wasn't even close. I had

turbulence that moved the disk +/- 5 arc seconds and sporadic bursts

of motion that turned mars into a 30 arc second boomerang or even a

50 arc second donut. This was imaging at 9 ms exposures at prime

focus of 2000 mm. Even visually stars were soft little balls due to

turbulence and instead of pinpoints, they were tiny. As I moved my

cameras and laptop back inside, I decide to have a quick peak and M42

for this year, as it rises majestically over the newly xmase

decorated 20 story crane that now blocks the only remaining view to

the south.


What I'm doing from now on is to try and quantify what factors

produce "good seeing" here. So I grab snaps of the predicted

turbulence and where the jet stream is, then take some movies of a

bright star and record my visual observations. I hope I can then get

a better handle on what factors "point" to good seeing here.


TTYL..


Milton J. Aupperle


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