From: "doobisary" <tjp314@pacbell.net>

Date: February 6, 2010 10:32:04 AM MST

To: Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Damian Peach


I have to admit I don't know a lot about them.  Last time I viewed through one at a star party was about 35 years ago!  But it was magnificent to easily see spiral arms around galaxies through a 12.5", even if they were green!


I believe that all the intensifiers project onto a screen that is then viewed afocally, in effect.  The coolest device seemed to be the I^3 piece, which had everything contained in a moderate-size eyepiece.


S&T ran an article last year, IIRC, about image intensified imaging of DSOs, that had a sidebar with some info about "lucky imaging" by Benoit Schillings.  Ooo, I found the webpage that shows some of the work he did with it.  Best part is it shows his setup, which includes a Pt Grey Flea.  Sadly, not much of a writeup:  http://www.stanmooreastro.com/IntensifiedAstronomicalImaging.htm


-Tim.


--- In Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com, Mark Gaffney <markgaffney@...> wrote:


Hi Tim,

I`ve been doing some googling of image intensifiers. I understand  

there`s now 4 generations of them & that they`ve been used in rifle  

scopes. Perhaps these night vision gadgets that soldiers use too(?)Do  

you need to have them connected to a cathode ray tube like a TV or is  

that just the earlier ones? I`m not seeing any prices posted on the  

net which makes me think this sort of thing is quite expensive. Is  

this the case?


Mark.

On 06/02/2010, at 12:24 PM, doobisary wrote:


Antonio Cidadao of Portugal used to use an AO2 for keeping planets  

on chip with his ST5 camera. That device has been out of production  

for many years, though, unfortunately.


I have an AO-7 with my SBIG ST2000XM. It's great for "guiding" DSO  

images, but it (and devices by Orion and Starlight Xpress) can't be  

used for planetary for a couple reasons. First, they work at very  

slow rates (the AO2 did corrections many times/second). Second, they  

get their pointing information from an off-axis chip in the camera  

(SBIG) or a guide camera (Starlight Xpress, via an OAG).


I've been curious whether anyone has tried planetary imaging (of  

faint planets like Uranus and Neptune, in particular) using an image  

intensifier and really short exposures/high frame rates, to freeze  

the seeing that would otherwise be crippling with the long exposures  

required (shortest exposure I was able to use on Uranus with my  

12.5" Cass was half a second).


-Tim.


--- In Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com, Mark Gaffney <markgaffney@>  

wrote:


Hey Ray,

Yes it`s my aspiration to become one of these "Deep Sky fiends"! I`d

like to have my finger in several pies eventually..


Mark.

On 04/02/2010, at 3:19 AM, Ray Byrne wrote:


G'day Mark,



To my way of thinking - well for Solar System imaging the  

cameras we

use and good old AstroIIDC is in effect adaptive optics. We are

taking video at an incredible frame rate and then letting our

favourite software ditch all the crap and stack the good stuff  

ready

for us to tweak it. I don't think that an AO gadget could work  

this

fast and is aimed at the Deepsky fiends who are taking long  

exposures.


Just my two penn'th


Ray



On 2 Feb 2010, at 21:27, Mark Gaffney wrote:


By the way Ray,


I assume you`re talking about amateur scopes?! The REALLY big  

earth

based scopes (one called the European Extremely Large Telescope  

at

42 metres is the next largest on the books!) have adaptive optics

now which compensate for atmospheric turbulence. Apparently earth

based telescopes will now rival (or exceed) the Hubble &

it`successors for clear pictures & although astronomically

expensive they`re a fraction of the price of sending these scopes

into space & maintaining them! They shoot lasers at the sky to

create artificial guide stars which enable these adjustments. I

think for a great price you can get some sort of adaptive optics

for your backyard scope now as well..


Mark.

On 02/02/2010, at 1:07 PM, Ray Byrne wrote:


Hi Mark,



He now uses a C14 mounted on a G11 and transports that to  

Barbados

with another guy who uses a C11 on an EQ6. Damian personally  

told

me that he thought the C9.25 all round was better than a C11  

when

I was considering them both, he probably meant in the UK  

generally

- but on Barbados the C14 would be king because if seeing  

allows -

aperture rules.


The aperture rules bit has its limits though for planetary  

imaging

as even the largest scopes in the world can only resolve to the

limit set by us looking through the atmosphere. In the book  

"High

Resolution Astrophotography by Jean Dregesco he felt that 16"  

was

the upper limit and any more aperture than that was pointless. I

must point out that this book was published pre webcam imaging  

and

his comments may not be relevant, I'd be interested to hear any

comments on this 16" rule.


BTW Damian still uses the C9.25 as the C14 will not always  

perform

that well as often as the C9.25 in the English seeing. There are

some contemporary Saturns that are C9.25 on his site and the C11

he sold may the one his mate uses in Barbados but I'm not sure  

(he

said the C11 was a great scope).


From my experience tonight my C9.25 is a great scope - out in up

to -17c at one point. And my EQ6 just did the business after

several months in the same situation flawlessly tracking at  

nearly

400x mag. - wonderful gear




ATB


Ray



On 1 Feb 2010, at 18:52, Mark Gaffney wrote:


Hi Ray,

Last I heard Damian had given up his C11 for a C9.25 for his

excellent imaging of the planets. Is this still the case do  

you

know, that he uses a C9.25? I know he travels by plane

regularly to

the Bahamas or Canary islands (with the scope in the cargo)  

to

get

the best results with turbulence & jet streams..!


Mark.