From: "Stephen W. Ramsden" <sramsden@natca.net>

Date: August 7, 2012 9:47:57 AM MDT

To: <Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [Astro_IIDC] Macs and Science

I also went to all Macs in my outreach program (60,000 people yearly at schools and almost every major asto event)  based exclusively on Milton’s software.  I invested over $8,000 in cameras and iMacs/Macbooks based on this software as it is BY FAR the best live broadcasting software out there for Mac or Windows.  I also purchased several copies as I wanted to keep him in business.

I have to say I am sort of scrambling now as to what Im gonna do if ASTRO IIDC is no longer available.  Milton, I am assuming that the software I have will still work if I don’t change out any computers or OS’s right?  Is there anything that I can do to encourage you to at least keep a shell going for a couple more years?

By the way, I will be glad to host the listserve or website or whatever.

Stephen W. Ramsden
Executive Director
Charlie Bates Solar Astronomy Project
404-543-7616

From: Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:50 AM
To: Astro_IIDC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Astro_IIDC] Macs and Science

Hi All,

While I think that Milton's statement that most Mac user's do not do science is correct, there are a significant number that do. You can see the image posted from the Curiosity landing at MacDailyNews, for example.

That said Apple is doing their best to kill off the Scientific market. In the recent past, Apple killed off the XServe which was a nice scientific machine. Mountain Lion killed off X11 and XGrid, two very important things for the scientific community. They have recently announced that they will not even open source XGrid. At least, X11 has an open source equivalent.

I run nearly all of my instruments using Macs, even though that has been a very difficult option for me at times. My two most recent instruments though are controlled by a linux box and a windows machine. I could not justify the effort and expense for machines that will just sit there most of the day. With XGrid, we could utilize the time when the machines were unused for distributed calculations. Without this, the machines are expensive paperweights most of the time.

I use Astro IIDC on a couple of my lab Macs for Camera control and I can tell you that I do this because Astro IIDC is far better than the junk out there on other platforms. I will be pulsing Milton about options for getting me through the next 5 years or so, if he decides to shut down.

It is sad to see Apple killing the science market as it was one of the early adopters that propelled the initial growth of OS X. I love my iPhone and iPod but some of still need a desktop OS.

Jeff